Wow...Bob, you are seriously twisted. This article is relaying some great news...news that given your previous posts it would seem that you would be on board with, but here you are crying out against cops again. Your posts seem to try to make you appear as some kind of constitutional freedom freedom fighter, yet every time there is something to do with law enforcement on here, I swear it's like you magically appear to bash them which leads me to believe that you have your own hidden agenda - whatever that may be. From the way this article reads...this sounds like a huge success. 12 months ago
Ladyluck, no...the hillybilly comment was directed immediately at Bob and was most certainly uncalled for – sorry Bob. Also, to touch on your other points, there are bad employees at every single company, I'm sure the police departments are included. For every bad cop out there how many good ones are there do you think? The only press that cops get anymore is the bad kind. The papers/new outlets make productions out of officers who step out of line but the one that helps us, the normal, everyday, good citizens who are broke down or who need legitimate help never hear any welcomed thank you's from these places. Matter of fact, a friend who works the area got a thank you card from someone who they assisted and you'd have thought that he saved their life when all they did was stop and assist in a tire change.
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I'm glad you're an educated professional who abides by the law and I'm sorry you were caught in a situation that, by your own account, destroyed you. Like you having had a bad experience, I too have had several. I was given a ticket last year by one of the Washington guys and I didn't think that I was speeding. But when we went to court he brought the necessary information for the radar gun, a video of the stop, and was well prepared and professional. I took one there that I wasn't happy about but, as Bob apparently believes, that is how it goes. I don't hold these officers accountable personally for them doing their job and I definitely admit when I have done something wrong. And why is it so difficult to believe that a camera wouldn't be in a patrol car now? St. Louis City is one of the largest departments in the state and according to the news, they just a year ago got their first 10 patrol car cameras put in. Is the sheriff's department on the cutting edge out here? Some of them still drive the old impalas as I just saw one on the road the other day. I'm sure they have budget issues and all kinds of other things that you and I don't understand. What constitutional right(s) was/were violated Lady? What did this horrible, awful, shameful cop do to you that wrecked your world so bad - please, give some details because I'm curious. I'm positive that they don't sign up officers at the academy by telling them "alright folks, this job is going to require you to forfeit your morals, ethics and beliefs to really stick it to the public and generate some revenue." I believe I'm more in touch with reality when I sleepwalk in the middle of the night than you are after 3 cups of coffee and breakfast based on what you've written in here.
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Oh, and Bob, what you wrote in your other post - "It is definitely a tragedy when someone loses their life but there is a fine line between liberty and safety/security. I work nights and I am going home when the bars close. I do not worry about what might happen, I worry about the road and the cars coming at me. Life is life and you will live as long as you are supposed to."
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I'm sorry if I'm taking that for exactly what it appears to be. I do find it odd though that you take such a relaxed stance on potentially being killed on the way home from work yet get so upset about officers wanting to ensure that you're not intoxicated. The point is that until people begin to act responsibly and not drive trashed all over these windy, hilly, two lane roads out here...I'll applaud the police for their efforts. The Missourian posted an article on here last week that had stats of all the Union Police crimes they dealt with the previous year and it said they increased their DWI arrests by 40 something over the year...40 something! While this is a win for the department because I'm now familiar with how much paperwork one officer must do just after a single DWI arrest, just imagine how many morons are out at the bar every single night getting drunk and then driving home without being caught. Those statistics that you're really struggling to recognize concerning DWI related accidents; those statistics show that on any random Thursday through Saturday night, between the hours of 11pm-3pm, somewhere around 70-80% of drivers on the road are over the legal limit. This is not taking into account the countless drug addicts who are high and found at the stop light with a needle in their arm (this actually happened at the entrance to my subdivision in front of a day care facility around the time that students were being picked up by buses). In 2009, approximately 41% of MO car accident fatal crashes were alcohol involved. Sorry if the tangent kicked in, but there is a point and that is that during those peak hours which favor locating an intoxicated driver, if you are stopped and have "negative contact" with a police officer at a check point (which they publish the locations of these in the news papers for all to go around them), they are checking for signs of impaired drivers. They aren't seeking to be the next big youtube hit because you won't roll your window down or because you're a sovereign citizen and don't recognize the law at the local and state levels. They are only attempting to find the people who have made the poor decision to drive while intoxicated and then go home to their families the same as you are attempting to.
To the both of you: It's evident that while I believe you are empirically wrong about what you've posted on here, I appreciate that you are entitled to your opinions no matter how wrong I think they are. I'm sorry to the both of you for whatever it was that happened to you by the disgraceful officer and I sincerely hope that it doesn't ever happen to you again. I too believe in the strength of this constitution and very much so favor the conservative view point. And Lady, if I'm living in a dream world, then I'd much rather live in my dream world than your reality. Perhaps it would serve to further educate you on what policing this county is like if you were to check into a community ride along program wherever you live. I believe the State Patrol does this in some locations. I can say this one positive thing about the both of you - it is the watch dogs like yourself that keep the powers that be in check. I wish you would direct your criticisms at a higher source than the local law enforcement though. If you were to do that, it might possibly get rid of that career politician up top, and then something might actually get accomplished other than running a re-election campaign.
Feb 10, 2012
I'm not watching any rights disappear at the hands of law enforcement sir...and statistically and literally, checkpoints are proven to reduce DWI related crashes. What you call negative contact is simply the officers confirming you're not intoxicated, and then sending you on your way. I'm sure you're a peach to deal with regularly.
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I can say with absolutely certainty that the laws they enforce don't generate any form of revenue for them so where is the incentive for your revenue machine claims? Also...have you considered that your people who told you that they were "stopped for a seat belt violation" might have been lying to you? There is not a primary seat belt law in missouri. They attempted to pass one in 2009 however it was rolled into the no helmet law for motorcyclists and it did not pass.
There is a very clear cut, obvious line between liberty and safety. One thing you and I agree on without any question is it is an industry. It's an industry in which the employees are demanded perfection from without any kind of question. These same employees are also forced to listen to misinformed, negative, people such as yourself who deem it easier to play the victim than to answer for something you did wrong. Perhaps in regard to accountability, we start talking about some personal accountability and have some adults (I assume you are an adult) begin to set a good example for children so that they too don't grow up to be so misguided and ignorant.
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Bob, you are the exact type of person that I hope I never have the horrible fortune of having to be around. It is people like yourself who want to cry about things that happen to you rather than stand up and take it like a man. It's frightening how backwards your mind works. Consider this the next time you need an officer to assist you...while you may BELIEVE that the officers are out to get you and have some kind of sick, twisted resentment towards them, it is without question safe to assume that they aren't excited about dealing with you either becuase you're such a pain and hassle to deal with. Also, telling me that I should have to simply deal with and accept that the loss of my sister to some ignorant hillybilly who had too many beers that night that you're almost certainly related to shows the level of class that you are at and is just a flat out stupid comment to begin with. You sir, are exactly what you've typed on here and that is embarassing to the rest of humans. Feb 9, 2012
Wow...Bob and Ladyluck are very misinformed. First off, there is no primary seat belt law in Missouri. Officers aren't able to stop you based solely on a seat belt violation. Second, the local cops out here don't have a say anymore than you or I do in amending the laws that they enforce. They are paid to enforce them and the guys that you and I are stopped by on the street aren't the top of the chain either. They are doing as they are told. Cops function under a paramilitary structure meaning there is a rank and order within them. Officers that stop the ordinary citizen are likely to be stopped by someone as high ranking as a Sergeant but here's the kicker, the Sergeants don't get to call the shots because they are being told by the 5 guys over them what they are going to enforce so stop with that garbage Bob. Third, Ladyluck, you are sincerely reaching with your accusations of "falsifying reports to get their target." In the day and age where it is more likely than not that if/when you are stopped, you are being both recorded, both video and audio, where is your evidence to support your crazy claims? Sounds as though you might be a person who was stopped and happened to have a little too much to drink which, in your line of thinking - meaning without any supporting facts and just going off of the small amount of information that I have learned about you based off your whiny post on here - would make you an irresponsible citizen and not a concerned one. You've clearly never suffered a loss at the hands of a drunk driver to be publicly attacking the public servants doing such a noble deed. Guess you don't recall a couple years ago when the Union Police arrested their mayor for drunk driving or when Franklin County arrested a Pacific Officer for drunk driving as well? So for you to say that they are only out for revenue generation is an outrageous claim. You're very obviously misinformed or uneducated to have formed such radical opinions and to generate the emotional bias that you have on here. If anyone should be ashamed to be making a mockery of anything ma'am, it is you. You have very amply demonstrated your unstable mental capacity. The fact is that Franklin County is a nice area to live but it still has problematic people as does every area. Thanks to all the hardworking law enforcement out here for all they do. Feb 7, 2012
Funny how something which is said this "food stamp president" is deemed racist when that phrase has nothing to do with race. Also funny how a wealthy man is scolded for spending the money he's earned during his career...by the way, we the people have allowed the career politicians to make the obscene amount of money they make. Not sure how it is that Obama can get away with the current situation we're in in the eyes of some. What we literally need in office is a business man/woman. Someone who will cut out all the trash spending and get us right. Old folks don't want to hear it but social security is not a sustainable program. It's a waste of money. How about realistic salaries for these elected positions? How about term limits across the board ending career politicians? How about not giving politicians 100% vested pensions while police/fire fighters have to work 20-30 years to get 80% of their pensions? This system is a joke, it's completely broken starting at the top, and people who are complaining in these other forums about where our money goes with necessary programs like MODot or emergency services make me sick. Perhaps the US would begin the healing process if we'd start protecting our country like we protect other countries. Jan 23, 2012